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 BackfromtheStorm (original poster member #86900) posted at 11:28 AM on Monday, January 12th, 2026

I want to talk with you all, Betrayed and Wayward partners, because I am sure we all have a ton of unanswered questions that we might have always wanted to answer but were too painful, shameful or difficult to ask when we went through the betrayal.

No matter if you were on the receiving end, you were the cause, you reconciled, are trying to R, or decided to split. You had for sure many emotions going on before the Affair, during the Affair, during Discovery and it's aftermath.

Maybe some of those made you question your partner and your choices.

Maybe some of those made you question yourself.

They might have changed you forever.

They might be still transforming you or blocking you from further growth.

Or it can be simple curiosity to understand better the psychology behind betrayal. You may be wondering if you were wearing your partner's shoes:

- Could I survive it if I was the BS?

- Could have I done it if I was the WS?

- What was going on with my partner before the Betrayal?

- What was going on with me before?

- What did I feel during? (Not just WS, BS often "know" something is up too)

- Why did I feel that way?

- Did it change me?

- How did the betrayal change you? (to the other party)

- Did it make it me/you stronger?

- Did I lose / gained something from it?

This kind of questions, I am sure we asked them many times, perhaps answering them alone in honest or edited ways.

But we all share common patterns:

Betrayal cuts deep on both partners, it even cuts differently on different genders, the wounds all take a long time to heal, maybe they never heal fully, we want for sure to know if those we suffer healed for others and if we can heal from those as well, or in our case they cannot.

We might want to know what out partner's wounds (before and after) are and if they can or cannot heal

And the most important thing yet:

We all find it easier to go on the positive emotions, the good moments and the precious aspects of our relationships, whether we had them, rediscovered them, or are rebuilding into a new bond.

But can we do the hardest thing? Can we look into the abyss of the lowest, most shameful and tainted flaws and emotions that brought us here? Can we still admit them and ask them and bring them out in the open?

We are anonymous here, is the place where we can share things that we still feel as foul secrets. Because those are the shadow that made it happen. Because we likely did not share with our BS / WS the darkest things, memories, emotions we felt not to hurt them.

But they never go away until you face them.

I like for this to be a space to ask the other side and have some self reflection on us, it is important because the unthinkable already happened. Something triggered it. Even if we mended our wounds, it can happen again. For some, already did.

Only facing our shadows and looking into the other side's can make us, if not understand, acknowledge and accept the reality, that we can hide under the rug but never quiet. To understand if we are truly ready to move forward no matter the risks.

Please ask to BS/WS or freely express what you feel, felt, and need to feel to feel whole again. Even if you still have pain or shame in it, even if the answers from the other side are hurtful, let's go with honesty and respect those from the other side even if their answers are not comforting but distressful.

It's a self help space, but not necessarily a comforting one, a space of truth no matter how harsh, will help you in the long run.

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[This message edited by BackfromtheStorm at 11:29 AM, Monday, January 12th]

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 BackfromtheStorm (original poster member #86900) posted at 11:51 AM on Monday, January 12th, 2026

Since I kicked the wasp nest I start with myself, the first thing and emotions that comes to my mind.

Before my partner betrayed me I was deeply connected to her, we had long distance relationship but I felt since the moment we met, she is the love of my life.

She has low self worth issues, we were extremely intimate to an emotional level I never experienced in my life. Because I was closed and traumatized myself, I felt I would always be walled to the other gender and gave up of finding a true connection early in my life.

She knocked those walls to dust. Her low self worth made me feel deep fear of loss. She feared she was inadequate and at some point I would realize it and move on. I feared her afraidness would make her flee. I was terrified of not having her in my life.

In the beginning I was able to elevate her, make her self confident, feeling beautiful, fulfilled. But she was co-dependant on me for her self worth validation, she was not doing her own work.

Did not understand this, but I "felt it". My own insecurities and fears made pick the other route. I became safe, available, agreeable, apologetic. I dulled my edge to make her feel superior to me, and it worked initially, her fears of me leaving her started to fade. But it also started to slowly kill her attraction.

The problem with low self worth is the validation you give it is only temporary. The problem with lowering your self worth in a relationship is your partner will resent it at some point, your own self will feel shame for backtracking instead of growing, your nerve system will start to believe your worth is truly lower, their contempt will reinforce this, you spiral.

And the validation being temporary, demands further hits of validation from perceived "higher value partners". So once she felt my worth fading her feeling were no longer of uplifting because her low self worth was resurfacing. And my validation was no longer enough. Because I became "low value".

So she looked for validation outside, had an affair, replaced me, and that completely destroyed me. (It was the tombstone on the spiral I myself started out of love for her. And I was complicit into it)

It lasted only few months, she came back, but the damage was done: I established myself inside as "low value", and she came back

full of regret feeling even "lower worth" because of the betrayal, and because once replace she realized quickly what she gave up for this OM.

So again the pattern restarted, we R, I was deeply hurt and tried to establish my boundaries, but they were never true, because they were just an echo, a shadow of my now dead old confidence and self respect (I could fake it, but my identity was now the one of unlovable, discarded, low value man, not the "cool guy" she fell in love with and was proud of, so the charade was doomed from the start).

What did I feel during?
I "felt the affair" the very night it happened. We were 1600 km away, different countries. I still felt it, like something takes a dive in your chest and stomach. I lived the weeks before I met her, confronted and broke up, in a state of cognitive dissonance and denial.

You have a voice screaming inside you with desperation the truth. Your mind fights it with all itself to deny she could ever do such thing, especially to you.

That's what then set me up to develop PTSD on DDay #1.

What did I feel for her after the first R?

it was a mix of emotions.

- Initially relief, even joy, but mixed with pain and nostalgia for her coming back.

- Deep anger, murderous rage, hate. On her at first, then it moved on the OM, because I could not look or think of her without the rage. Because I needed to direct it at someone and at the same time it could not coexist with the love I genuinely still feel for her. She still needed to be my innocent girl, not the dirty one. So I projected it. Then it turned inward towards myself, because I knew deep down it was her choice. It eaten me alive for years.

- I detached from my emotions of the betrayal to be in a relationship with her. They were all there, but I compartmentalized so the storm was hitting me alone, and she was in the safe box, where no mention or memory of the betrayal should ever taint her.

- But in intimacy all came back. Everytime we were sexually intimate I felt dirty, her body belonged to the OM, it was a battle between love and desire and disgust, no matter how I tried, I could smell the OM on her and wanted it to finish as quick as possible. I felt sick, disgusted, needing to vomit, then guilty for feeling this to her and ashamed of myself for desiring and loving her at the same time. There was the connection, but was forever tainted with the betrayal and I could not force me to tell her. She was happy. All while I started sinking alone in the abyss again.

- Silence breed secret, resentment, humiliation, nourished the pain, the joy from R begun to leave room to those emotions, and I quieted them, took most of my focus and energy. Because I was truly grateful to have her in my life again. But I could not forgive myself for what I felt. All negative emotions and intrusive thoughts started to be addressed against myself once more.

- I felt we Red but my soul was lost forever and could not breathe. So I kept silent

It's a preview of memories and emotions, in freeform, feel free to ask if you feel like.

[This message edited by BackfromtheStorm at 12:09 PM, Monday, January 12th]

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5Decades ( member #83504) posted at 12:11 AM on Tuesday, January 13th, 2026

My answers:


- Could I survive it if I was the BS?

I’m the BS. I have asked him what he would have felt if the roles were reversed. He said, "deep pain, anger, and a need to get away". That’s how I feel, so I guess he nailed it.


- Could have I done it if I was the WS?

Because I now understand how these things get started and develop, I know I am vulnerable to infidelity because I am human, and right now needy and weak. Yes.


- What was going on with my partner before the Betrayal?

He had lost his mother to cancer a couple years earlier, and that left him the only person from his FOO still living. He talked about that a lot, that he "had nobody left". It didn’t seem to help when I mentioned he had me, his kids, his nieces and nephews, his cousins. He has told me he was using porn a lot leading up to the affair, and also that he was secretly drinking quite a bit. COVID put him under a lot of strain because I was working in healthcare and had to be out every day. Meanwhile he was alone working at home all day. Loneliness definitely played a role, including in increasing use of alcohol.

- What was going on with me before?

I was having to work daily. Long hours. Additionally, I was having a medical issue that caused very painful sex, so that aspect of our life had decreased. I was very in love with him, and thought he was happy.

- What did I feel during? (Not just WS, BS often "know" something is up too) At one point, I was cured of my medical issue, and invited him for intimacy. He just looked at me and walked away. Right then I knew something was wrong. I had no idea.

- Why did I feel that way?

Only one other time he had turned me down. It was when he was having an affair.

- Did it change me?
I looked into it, asked, etc. He made excuses. But it still hung on.

- How did the betrayal change you? (to the other party)

This is huge as a question. I think he sees me as fragile right now, and works hard to understand how I am doing every day. I am distrustful now. I am on edge. I randomly cry. I am much quieter around other people. I’m depressed.

- Did it make it me/you stronger?

In some ways, yes. I don’t accept anything from him that remotely sounds like a lie or attempt to blameshift. Our dynamic is different, because he has always had the "power" in the relationship, but now always defers to me. I don’t like it. I want an egalitarian relationship, and this isn’t it. We are talking about it as it relates to his feelings of guilt and making amends.


- Did I lose / gain something from it?. I lost my deepest abiding love for him. I’m struggling to find it again. It’s going to take a minute.

5Decades BW 69 WH 74 Married since 1975

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 BackfromtheStorm (original poster member #86900) posted at 8:19 AM on Tuesday, January 13th, 2026

5 decades thank you for the heartfelt sharing.

I have a curiosity because a perspective is missing from me. I am man, so I miss the female perspective of how betrayal impacts you.

I believe that the process of discovery and betrayal itself is pretty similar no matter if you are a man or a woman, from what I read we all go through the same pain and reality shattering trauma.

Also the betrayal that broke me was 7 years before our marriage, she did not have any PA since our wedding, but the wounds from before were just hidden, not healed. With the caveat that afaik I still do not have the proof if she had any PA after marriage (unsure yet, so the instinct assumes the worst case scenario as default, until she regain enough trust at least), later DDAys were recent when she opened up, but I knew it in my guts. So I 'technically' miss the perspective of betrayed spouse, perhpas it feels different, perhaps no.

But I am curious about the aftermath, when you try reconciliation.

I know she does look up to me for being her safe center, the person she can trust and crush when emotions overwhelm her, she feels safe when I take the lead and basically make her feel every day as "I got your back". Feeling that by the way I lost towards her, when she "had my back" she stabbed it, when I needed her the most she was not there, and when I was in the abyss of trauma, depression and PTSD she had contempt and disgust.

It is normal for a woman who loves you to feel that way and hope you are there for her everyday. Her emotional wiring requires it to feel safe.

I wonder if betrayed women have it worse when in reconciliation: can you still "look up" to your man and feel this kind of safety? That "he has your back" and your nerve system can relax with him?

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Since I asked that I could also give you my understanding of how the betrayal feels from a masculine perspective (other BH could add to it or feel differently) but it might be of insight for BW and WW who are trying to R:

Men have a biological programming of 'mate protection', when you commit to a female that kicks in, is the only way nature had to ensure your offspring was yours so this is something written in our biology way before words and rational thoughts even existed.

This is also the reason why, while we are happy to have sex with as many women as possible when single, we find it hard to commit to one (aka falling in love). The first one is biology and survival strategy, the second is even more important because you 'vet' potential 'partner for life'.

Only when a woman makes your instinct "feel safe" that she is capable of exclusive commitment with a single partner (you) and able to give up other sexual encounters, then your nerve system allows for you to attach emotionally and fully commit to her.

When you commit to her, she is always considered a "high value woman" to your emotional and nerve system.

That is "falling in love" you form a bond and your natural polygamous drive gets suppressed and you are driven towards monogamy (from 'spread your genes' to 'form and protect your tribe' biological programming).

Is both nature and psychology, we are neither as a baseline, circumstances allow one state or the other to emerge.

-- this may shed some light on the general confusion many women have about male behavior, because we work differently but is very predictable when you know it--

(I suspect the above could also be a factor contributing in the behavior of some Wayward Men, once faithful. Not the only one but in some instances. I do not know, I will let them to pitch in if they feel like it matters)

So you committed and she betrays you, she has sex with another man or wants to.

The natural pain of the betrayal we all universally know well is obviously here but there is more. I will try to explain it in a way that might help feminine understanding. Several things break in your masculine identity:

-- Existential and genetic survival -- you immediately lose the security of your offspring, present past and future. Your 'mate protection' failed, so your body and instincts immediately put everything into question. If you have children they might be not yours. If she is expecting most definitively you feel is not yours. Your future plans for children disappear. She may still carry your baby one day, but it will be forever tainted with the shadow of infidelity and doubt. It is not rational, even if you have DNA proof the instincts will forever scream that doubt in your heart. Since that moment, that core pillar of the relationship is dust emotionally. Gone forever.

-- Loss of hierarchy and status -- Male social circle works through instinctive boundaries and direct competition.

You face other men directly, establishing what is yours, theirs, what are the borders, and who has the strength and fight to take and defend their "territory" and "tribe" (we speak of biology and primal instincts here, obviously in the civilized world that means 'belongings' and 'family', but all human society stems from those basic principles).

So when men meet there is always an open confrontation, it can result in 2 outcomes: one is mutual respect, even friendship, when you respect or even feel the pull to protect the other men's boundaries and 'tribe' (or even "join it" in the case of friendship). The second is rivalry, competition and overt fight (each one tries to conquer the other's boundaries. Still, often there is some level of respect here too).

It is a primitive anthropological description, we still see this everyday. It's part of the human animal, this how men move through life.

That's also why emotional containment is biologically very developed in males. Sense of humor and de escalation or emotional neutrality are a healthy requirement for survival, or else we would be fighting and killing each other at the first misstep of crossing or even touching another man's boundary (no matter if intentional or not, humor serves both as a warning and a de escalation tool).

No matter the direct competition, there is always an unwritten rule that describe male's "honor" in this field. It must be open, clean, at the light of the sun.

Treachery, lies and backstabbing is frowned universally because that is how weak men act to 'steal' from 'higher status' men. You consider those men disgusting, unworthy, cowards, they are not even men, they are rats and worms.

You will see no problems with 2 single men competing for one woman, as long as it is open and out in the clear, they are both rivals but they will respect each other even if only one will win her heart.

But when you are betrayed, the sting is different and devastating: the OM acted cowardly, he is a rat and a worm not a "worthy rival", he is the most disgusting weak thief. And she chose him over you.

She is your mate, the one who you are committed to. She is not just another woman, but an extension of your 'self' the nucleus of your entire world and future. Ans your nature feels this: she preferred a 'low status weak man' to you, to replace your offspring with his. This makes you 'lower value' you lose your place in the universe, your entire hierarchy is gone, your status is gone, forever lowered below the OM (see below).

-- Low self-worth -- You lost your status because she, an extension of you established it by betraying you with the OM.

The natural consequence from the above, is that you emotionally rearrange your entire understanding of your place in the world as lower than the lowest (the OM, as perceived by innate male psychological social structure). That's the psychological driver that crushes you on every aspect of your life, in addition to the pain your reality, all your achievements, all your drive, you identity, everything it once was "you" dies in that moment along with the rest of the emotions. You might become numb, you definitively become emotinally unstable, you lose your masculine center, emotional containment.

-- Injustice and primal rage -- - When your chosen woman betrays you, in her mind she is treating you as an option, but in yours and the OM mind something else is going on.

- The OM feels an ego boost because he conquered someone else's partner, so he feels 'elevated socially' (he is not, this is universally felt as predatory, disgusting and untrustworthy, but he still feels like he won, because she chose him over another man). He may ever treat her as a trophy or disposable trash. is a spite towards him more than her.

Men generally do not look to other Wayward Men very highly, because the act of betraying your woman is 'bad' but are prone to understand that they might have slipped or had a moment of weakness, so it is 'excusable' to some extent, as long as they plan to start walking straight (if they do not, then their status perception is lowered), but when it comes to comparisons with the OM in a betrayal is night and day. The OM is instinctively seen as a worm, a weak, treacherous thief. There is no sympathy because this is and act of weakness and the deepest treachery a male can do to another male (not even murder is perceived so lowly, he is lower than the low, on par with rapists and child abusers).

So She replaced you with this OM and elevated him over you (or crushed you below this guy). Along with the pain and grief, a primal rage for the sense of injustice is emerging and exploding inside you. She, the person that you elevated above any other female, just decided that you are worth below the scum of the Earth. Your dignity can't just take it, you feel a primitive pull to restore justice (the primal instinct towards the OM is homicidal, tribal justice, no matter how civilized that pull is ancestral). Since we are beyond the barbaric era, that pull will have to be suppressed (even if sometimes still happens) and the anger will linger and eat you alive.

-- Emotional self projection-- - she does not get off the judgement and the anger, you know IT WAS HER CHOICE, so all these emotions are resentment get naturally directed on her. But that is temporary, as it is in conflict with the deep feelings of Love and commitment you have for her. They do not go away so easily. So our psyche does something that gives you the final blow and kills you for good:

She is your beloved partner --> you love her no matter what she did --> you cannot hate her as you feel --> you trusted her, you felt it, that was real it was not wrong --> she must have seen you have become extremely weak, disgusting, unworthy, that's why she drifted instead of leaving you first, she lost respect for you --> you are the cause of everything --> you deserved it, you allowed it to happen by becoming worthless --> you collect or the feeling of anger and injustice addressed to her and redirect it at yourself, projecting it against you --> she gets 'partially forgiven' you are now the main culprit --> the spiral begins.

There might be more but this is how male psychology self-sabotages you when you get betrayed. Being left and heartbroken is bad enough, but acceptable and allows you to move on. Betrayal fucking sucks because you go through this hell already at the start of the A, or when you D.

And that's just the beginning, then there is the rest we all know following up. You can get over these wounds, I am not sure they can ever completely heal even if you R though.

Hopefully this perspective helps the other sex to feel what it feels like, and to help your partner overcome it.

[This message edited by BackfromtheStorm at 10:37 AM, Tuesday, January 13th]

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