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Hippo16 ( member #52440) posted at 12:51 AM on Saturday, January 10th, 2026

Her reply was, 'I didn't know the full truth back then, so I didn't feel I needed to'..


I take that set of words to mean:

YOU didn't know the full truth back then, so I didn't feel I needed to'..


Holy Snarfblat man, do you like getting a kick to the gonads?


Another way of asking - Did she sterilize the sword before she shoved it into your heart?


Just WOW!

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Unhinged ( member #47977) posted at 3:41 AM on Saturday, January 10th, 2026

Something is just still holding me back in my gut from giving her all back.. 😔

Of course there's something holding you back. She's not trustworthy. She betrayed you and lied to you for years.

Brother, the best advice I ever received here was to step-back and detach from your WS. Watch and observe what she does with the opportunity you've given to her.

Forget about your marriage and reconciliation for a while. Focus on you, your recovery and healing. Climb up onto that proverbial fence and get nice and comfortable. Carefully assess both R and D. When you're ready, when you know which side of the fence has the greener pasture, then you'll be able to make the best choice for yourself.

You say your WW has changed and is remorseful. Please understand that those changes and seeming remorse are not genuine and authentic.

She's in survival mode, protecting her ego, trying to control the narrative and outcome. She's reacting to you and the situation when she should be digging deep within herself to figure out why she self-destructed, blew-up her life and the lives of those she claims to love.

I've read the stories of dozens of wayward spouses and while all were unique individuals with unique stories the patterns of human behavior are crystal clear.

When she starts to own and fix her shit, you'll see it. You'll feel it. You'll know it.

So, keep on holding back. Focus on you and finding your strength, your equilibrium, your own personal happiness and peace.

Let go. Let go of the outcome.

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redbaron007 ( member #50144) posted at 9:03 AM on Saturday, January 10th, 2026

Then this year, I seen a big positive shift in her towards me intimately, and I did ask her why was I not worth this a few years back.. Putting in the extra effort etc.. He reply was, 'I didn't know the full truth back then, so I didn't feel I needed to'..
This actually hurt a lot, and makes me wonder, am I only worth this effort now that I know all, could leave, friends and family finding out, the shame of it all etc...

As some others have pointed out, this is an important clue unwittingly divulged by your WW that says a LOT.
DO NOT ignore your gut. Do not waste your life on a cheater. In any case, divorcing and amicable coparenting is way better for the kids than staying in an irretrievably broken marriage, don't you think? Children are VERY perceptive, and they are also very resilient.

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 Feelingvunerable (original poster new member #85593) posted at 4:10 PM on Saturday, January 10th, 2026

What's everyone's thoughts with In Home Separation if I went down that road in the future? Basically we have a stand alone site with plenty of room and a large garage I could renovate into living accommodation for myself.
This way, it would ease financial burdens, I'd be on hand to see and help out with the kids etc..
Where it could get messy is I found someone else and had them back to my new accommodation.
We had already talked about this, and my wife said she'd be ok with this, and just want me happy..
On the other hand, I have to consider her finding someone new, and I honestly think I'd be ok with this, as she'd be longer be my concern..
Thanks guys

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sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 6:40 PM on Saturday, January 10th, 2026

I think Feelingvulnerable's W's comment about 'not knowing all the facts' can be interpreted in multiple ways, and I don't know what she meant. Fv was on the ground, and he doesn't interpret the statement as a deal killer. OTOH, he's unsure of his interpretation, and that has to carry weight, too.

So I'll ask Fv, 'What do you think your W is doing? Is she remorseful? Is she covering her ass?' What is your gut telling you?

If you think she's remorseful, why are you asking about in-house separation? And if you want IHS, it seems unreasonable to place yourself where she can make more demands on you WRT child care and household. That smacks of the pick-me dance, which is never a good thing to do.

Whatever disconnect there was between you is irrelevant, totally irrelevant. If your W felt a disconnect, it was her job to do something to rebuild the connection. There's no imaginable universe in which connecting to person B will help rebuild connection with person A. You're responsible for not working to rebuild your connection, but you didn't cheat - and once your WS started on the road to an A, she became the barrier.

It's only a year. R is about the future, not the past, and you get to decide what you want to do - and what you do, which may be different from what you want to do.

I can't tell where you really are, except that you seem to want R. What I can recommend is this:

Make sure you're wearing clear glasses. Don't let shaded or roes-colored or shit-colored glasses sway your decision-making. Take as many filters down as you can. See yourself and your WS as clearly as you can, and aim to perceive more accurately every day.

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The idea of looking for someone else whil being undecided about D looks like a sure way to get yourself into trouble. Healing yourself means taking responsibility for uourself. Letting yourself slide down a slippery slope is a sure way to hurt yourself. You deserve to treat yourself better than that.

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To be betrayed by someone and therefore assume you will be betrayed by anyone else, doesn't sound healed to me. It sounds like an argument for better the devil you know.

I should have expected someone would use reductio ad absurdum, which is often fallacious and is fallacious here..

Many people assert that D solves the BS's problems. Many people assert that a BS will find a new, faithful partner with ease.

The facts are:

1) D does not solve the awful feelings and negative self-talk that follows being betrayed. Whatever the BS does, they still have to heal themselves, and

2) BS after BS come to SI saying that they found a new partner, made the new partner aware of their infidelity trauma, and find themselves betrayed again. Pointing out that risk does not assume anyone will be betrayed again. Yow do you not know that?

The house analogy may hold, but here's another that may hold instead. Consider that a WS who does the work necessary to heal makes themself less vulnerable to cheating than they were before doing the work; that goes almost without sating - effective healing will necessarily reduce vulnerability to another A.

A former WS who does the necessary healing work may be a better bet for long term fidelity than a person who has never been tested. IOW, a person who has redeemed themself may be a better bet for long-term fidelity that a person who hasn't had to redeem themself. A former thief who has redeemed themself may be a better guardian than a person with larceny in their heart who just hasn't had the opportunity to steal before.

Some more very significant facts include,

3) we can't predict the future, and

4) maybe we can see into someone else's heart;

5) trying to establish and live by rules about the worthiness of others inevitably blinds oneself to important factors in situations which almost always have unique features.

IOW, if you want to heal from being betrayed, your best bet is to throw the rules out and perceive what's really happening around you - and in you.

In general, SI is open to WSes to wanted to change from cheaters to good partners. Many WSes have come through here, and even many serial cheaters healed themselves. I have no doubt that WSes who have reoffended after posting here are unlikely to come back, but boy! a lot of WSes on SI seem to have redeemed themselves - not because they said so but because they pretty clearly did a lot of work on themselves and have adopted new ways of interpreting their thoughts, feelings, affects, you name it.

That's despite the many voices counseling,

'Always D, because they're bound to cheat again,' or

'Always D because you won't be able to heal from being betrayed,' or

'Always D, because the A will always hurt too much.'

IOW, you've got it: the devil you know is a better bet than devil you don't know when the devil you know has changed from cheater to good partner - and if you don't blind yourself with 'rules' you'll probably be able to tell how effectively the WS has done their work.

Just ask hikingout, BSR, pippin, and the many folks who no longer post (HUFI-PUFI, FloridaRedMan, AuthenticNow, BrokenRoad, DS crying , MrsWalloped, and plainsong (my W), The1stwife's H)

Not every couple will R, even if both do their work. Some WSes don't heal enough to make their BS choose R. No BS or WS is obligated to R.

But 'rules' - other than 'take responsibility for yourself' - are the enemy of healing.

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DRSOOLERS ( member #85508) posted at 8:13 PM on Saturday, January 10th, 2026

A former WS who does the necessary healing work may be a better bet for long term fidelity than a person who has never been tested... A former thief who has redeemed themself may be a better guardian than a person with larceny in their heart who just hasn't had the opportunity to steal before.

This is a classic false equivalence. You are operating on the cynical assumption that everyone has "larceny in their heart" and is simply waiting for the opportunity to strike. This devalues the millions of people who possess intrinsic integrity—those who, when "tested" by a failing marriage or external temptation, choose to communicate, seek therapy, or leave the relationship before betraying their partner.

Character is not a muscle that only becomes strong after it has been broken; for many, the strength lies in the fact that it never broke to begin with.

D does not solve the awful feelings and negative self-talk that follows being betrayed. Whatever the BS does, they still have to heal themselves.

While it is true that the Betrayed Spouse must heal their own trauma, you are downplaying the role of the environment in that healing. Divorc is not a "cure," but it is the removal of the primary trigger. Healing from a burn is statistically and psychologically faster when you move away from the fire. Suggesting that staying with the person who caused the trauma is "equal" to leaving ignores the reality of C-PTSD and the constant state of hyper-vigilance required to monitor a Wayward Spouse (WS).

IOW, you've got it: the devil you know is a better bet than devil you don't know when the devil you know has changed from cheater to good partner.

This is the "Devil You Know" Fallacy. With a new partner, the risk of infidelity is an unknown variable (X). With a WS, the risk has been proven to be 100\% under a specific set of circumstances. By choosing the WS, you aren't choosing a "safer bet"; you are choosing a partner who has already demonstrated they lack the coping mechanisms to stay faithful during a crisis. The idea that they are now "immune" because they've been "tested" is a way to soothe the BS's anxiety, but it isn't supported by behavioral data.

Just ask hikingout, BSR, pippin, and the many folks who no longer post...

This is the definition of Survivorship Bias. You are citing a handful of successful cases while ignoring the thousands of users who attempted R, were betrayed again (re-D-Day), and left this forum in silence or shame.

Focusing only on those who survived the process creates a distorted reality of the success rate of reconciliation. It frames R as a "noble path" of growth, while for many, it is simply a cycle of managed misery or eventual failure.

But 'rules' - other than 'take responsibility for yourself' - are the enemy of healing.

Boundaries are not "the enemy of healing." Boundaries are what keep a person safe. By encouraging people to "throw out the rules," you are essentially encouraging them to lower their defenses in the face of a proven threat.

Your view is valid as a personal philosophy for someone who has chosen to stay, but it should not be presented as an objective truth. It is a view heavily shaped by the need to justify the immense "sunk cost" of reconciliation. For many, the "best bet" for a healthy life is not a "reformed thief," but a partner who respects the house enough never to steal in the first place.

I simply don't think it's wise to blankety state divorce doesn't guarantee anything, Unless you are talking in the wider philosophical sense, which is IOW a synonym for saying nothing in life is guarantee. Otherwise it is as egregious as a user posting everyone who reconciles is spineless. Both stances, whilst on other ends of the spectrum, deserve robust dispute.

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DRSOOLERS ( member #85508) posted at 8:15 PM on Saturday, January 10th, 2026

@Feelingvunerable

I think in house separation could be beneficial to you. Though wouldn't recommend dating until you felt you were in a place where you could be accepting of her dating too.

If you are wanting in house separation to be a taste of divorce or divorce light... Meeting other people is an eventuality.

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OhItsYou ( member #84125) posted at 11:11 PM on Saturday, January 10th, 2026

I would only suggest an in home separation if that was the only way because of finances. Truthfully, she needs to see and feel what it’s like to not have you around.

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NoThanksForTheMemories ( member #83278) posted at 11:41 PM on Saturday, January 10th, 2026

And vice versa - you need to see how you feel on your own. A trial/therapeutic separation can be really helpful in getting ourselves off the fence, but it requires some basic agreement about how to deal with the children and (generally) to not see other people in that period.

Is the place you're talking about detached from your current home? Can you come and go without seeing her? Could you and she do a "nesting" arrangement, where you trade off spending time in the main home with the kids while the other lives apart?

Worrying about her or you finding someone else is maybe jumping ahead a few steps. You can cross that particular bridge when you get there, but hopefully neither of you would start dating (or looking) until after you're divorced.

WS had a 3 yr EA+PA from 2020-2022, and an EA 10 years ago (different AP). Dday1 Nov 2022. Dday4 Sep 2023. False R for 2.5 months. 30 years together. Divorcing.

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 Feelingvunerable (original poster new member #85593) posted at 7:46 PM on Sunday, January 11th, 2026

Hello folks,
Ok, to answer a few questions..
The house is on the same site as the garage, so only a 60 foot away..
There's no way I wouldn't see her..
Just thinking of simple routines of homeworks and bed time etc.. Tuckinig into bed etcwhich we always jointly did.
I know the ideal thing would be for one of us to go to our parents houses, but then it opens up the whole.. What's wrong scenario.. Are U breaking up... What happened etc...
Through the whole thing, I haven't tried to tarnish her name, as it would hurt her badly if friends and family found out... Then, we're also afraid of kids finding out, and in some way, turning them away from their mum.. ( I wouldn't want that )..
I'm just soooo confused!!
She hurt me beyond belief, and even if she is NOW totally genuine, trustworthy, and wanting to rebuild again, I just don't know if I'll never truly trust, believe it love here the same way now...
If I can't, I don't think I want to spend my remaining time just making do.. Part of who I am is truly loving someone, and giving that person my all.. I just don't think I'll truly be happy again unless I either split, or find a way to put this behind me and give her my all again..

Feelingvunerable

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NoThanksForTheMemories ( member #83278) posted at 9:45 PM on Sunday, January 11th, 2026

Given the clarifications, I'm not clear on what you want to achieve by moving into this garage space. How would you explain your living there to the kids? If you're going to be back and forth to the house all the time, is the space just to have somewhere to sleep on your own?

I totally get not wanting to drag the kids and extended family/friends into the circle of knowledge until you're more sure of your decision. I was the same way. I was able to sleep in a different room because my stbx snored like freight train, so I stopped regularly sharing a bedroom with him even before he cheated. I held on at home for the sake of the kid until an opportunity to live separately came about due to the location of her new school.

As for knowing if you'll ever trust or love her again ... I used to wish for a crystal ball that could tell me the outcome of staying vs. leaving, but unfortunately, that doesn't exist. All we can do is take one day at a time. My therapist would often remind me that I don't need to make any decisions until I'm ready, and one day, I was ready. Until then, limbo is definitely a painful place to exist, but it keeps your options open, and that's okay. It sounds like you're doing a lot of thinking about the future, one that's uncertain because of the trauma of the past. It's okay to be unsure of what you want right now. It's also okay to make a decision to walk away at any time - you're never trapped, even if you might feel that way. There's no expiration date on deciding you want a divorce. Feelings change and evolve over time, and it's okay to stay and see where your feelings go. Maybe set a check in for yourself, like 3 and 6 months from now, so that you can set aside worrying about the decision until then.

WS had a 3 yr EA+PA from 2020-2022, and an EA 10 years ago (different AP). Dday1 Nov 2022. Dday4 Sep 2023. False R for 2.5 months. 30 years together. Divorcing.

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 Feelingvunerable (original poster new member #85593) posted at 10:20 PM on Sunday, January 11th, 2026

Sorry, I didn't explain very well there... If moving to the garage, it would have been that we had separated.. Tell the kids,and close family members..
The way it is at the moment is, we are in separate rooms for a week now, and communication on the day to day stuff, but no romantic connection..
We agreed on this, and I know I was hot and cold so much that I was happy with this arrangement..
Being honest, I like this little bit of extra head space now..
I do think my W is scared on the therapy meeting tomorrow, as I think she may be thinking I'll call it quits..
I don't intend on that, but I do intend to spill my guts completely..
Say how I'm truly torn now, I do realize I have the option of separating, but part of me still wants to make it work..
Reading the replies here, it's so hard to call either way..
I know someone earlier said they still loved their partner after betrayal, and still on the fence..
The difference with me is that I have either buried my love for her, or I have lost it to some degree now.. I still find her very attractive etc, but that's only surface stuff..
A 13 month affair was a long time!
The lies deception and gaslighting is also hard to accept.. She knew from the beginning he fancied her, had previously made suggestive sexual remarks etc, but she still let the messages start.. It's hard to believe from this that she didn't realize where this would go.. Even if it only was emotional between them, it was way past the boundaries of our marriage..
I'm a bloody mess of emotions now 😢

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Notsogreatexpectations ( member #85289) posted at 11:29 PM on Sunday, January 11th, 2026

Will you ever trust her like you did before? I doubt it. That innocence is gone forever. I personally would never let myself be so vulnerable again. But you can trust again if she earns it back. It will take years, but it will be a different marriage than the one she pissed on. That’s where I am. Frankly, if I hadn’t had young kids, I would have made tracks immediately. I stayed for my kids and my wife earned my trust back. It took years and it wasn’t an unbroken record of success. Unhinged has said on other posts that sitting on the fence is a good place to be when you don’t know what you want. Sit there until the answer becomes clear. If it helps you to live in the garage while you are fence-sitting and watching your wife trying to earn her place back as your partner, why not? But if you foresee either of you dating, you aren’t fence-sitting. If you have decided not to reconcile, then why not just divorce?

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 Feelingvunerable (original poster new member #85593) posted at 11:51 PM on Sunday, January 11th, 2026

Why not just divorce?
Because I'm afraid and scared..
I've always put everyone elses feelings before my own, and even several months ago when I said we would separate, and I seen how my wife took such a slump after it ( this was the 1st time in all of it that she couldn't sleep ) I haven't slept right in 3 years 😂
I seen how much this impacted her, but on reflection, was this because of exposure to everyone finding out, or because she was mourning the loss of her husband.. We talked about this later, and she said it was because of the loss, but I just can't believe anything anymore.. I don't know truth from reality..

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NoThanksForTheMemories ( member #83278) posted at 1:48 AM on Monday, January 12th, 2026

All your feelings are very normal. Anything is possible when it comes to reconciliation, but sometimes we get to the point where we just can't. For some of us, infidelity is a deal breaker (it took me a couple years to reach this conclusion for myself), and divorce is the only way forward.

If you're scared of divorce, I highly recommend you read through the Fear vs. Reality thread that's pinned at the top of the Divorce/Separation section of the forums here. We're all scared of divorce, especially after a long marriage. It can help to write down your worst fears. What many us were scared of didn't end up happening or it wasn't as bad as we thought.

Have you spoken to a lawyer? Sometimes that's the best first step in getting a handle on what the reality of divorce could look like for you. It'll help you make a more informed decision on how to proceed.

WS had a 3 yr EA+PA from 2020-2022, and an EA 10 years ago (different AP). Dday1 Nov 2022. Dday4 Sep 2023. False R for 2.5 months. 30 years together. Divorcing.

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Notsogreatexpectations ( member #85289) posted at 2:21 AM on Monday, January 12th, 2026

Another poster on SI has offered her therapist’s advice several times. You will know when to make the decision. You are not there yet. Brother, you need to work on you right now. You still aren’t sleeping. Are you eating? Exercising? You said that you and your wife are in IC. Is that joint IC? You need your own therapist, preferably one trained in trauma. Until you are in a healthier condition you shouldn’t be making life altering decisions. You may never be able to reconcile after the betrayal you suffered. No one would blame you. But that should be a thoughtful decision made in the cool light of reason, not the whirlpool of confusion you are now in. Deciding not to decide for the time being is also a decision. That’s what I would advise until you are in a better place. If separating in place helps you, do it. It seems to me that you see that as an interim step that isn’t as scary (permanent?) as divorce. I’d agree with that, unless either of you start dating. By dating you will have made the decision to end the marriage. The separation would not be somewhere in between marriage and divorce. It would be termination of the marriage.

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Unhinged ( member #47977) posted at 5:16 AM on Monday, January 12th, 2026

I've always put everyone elses feelings before my own,

I think this is something you need to address and work on. Find a good therapist. You'll probably have to try out a few before you find the right one, but I think it's worth the effort.

Trying to reconcile while putting her feelings before your own isn't going to work out too well for you.

I don't know how well your in-home separation plan will work out. Your kids are going to think you've gone nuts. At least, that was my experience. My mom moved out when I was 16. She got an apartment about two miles away. I was extremely happy that my parents were FINALLY separating, because it was perfectly crystal fucking clear that they were miserable together (pretty sure my dad cheated, but he'll never admit it). She felt so guilty for leaving her kids that she moved back into the house, into our partially finished basement (one room had full windows and doors as the house was built on a low hill). That lasted a few months before she moved back into the master bedroom. It was awkward, to say the least, and more so having to explain it to my friends, mostly because that was our D&D den (early 80s smile ).

Don't underestimate your kids. They're clued in. They may not know what's happening, but they're probably far more observant than you think. More so, I believe, not being honest with them about what's going on sets an extremely bad example. Kids learn relationship skills from their parents, for better or worse. If you plan to separate then separate residences is a better idea.

I don't know truth from reality..

That's perfectly understandable and natural. Your world has been blown apart and it's going to take some time to sort through the flotsam and jetsam.

Focus on you, your recovery and healing. That means putting your feelings first and foremost, finding yourself and carefully deciding what you want.

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DRSOOLERS ( member #85508) posted at 10:35 AM on Monday, January 12th, 2026

Why not just divorce?

Because I'm afraid and scared..

I've always put everyone elses feelings before my own, and even several months ago when I said we would separate, and I seen how my wife took such a slump after it ( this was the 1st time in all of it that she couldn't sleep ) I haven't slept right in 3 years 😂

I seen how much this impacted her, but on reflection, was this because of exposure to everyone finding out, or because she was mourning the loss of her husband.. We talked about this later, and she said it was because of the loss, but I just can't believe anything anymore.. I don't know truth from reality..

At the risk of repeating what others have said, it really comes down to three fundamental questions.

1. Is your wife a viable candidate for reconciliation? Before you can move forward, you have to look at her actions objectively. Will she support you when you are triggered? Can she witness the pain she caused without retreating into defensiveness? Most importantly, do you believe she will never betray you again? If she can’t "tick these boxes," reconciliation may not even be attainable.

2. Do you actually want it? Suppose she is the "perfect wayward"—though, as you can tell by my tone, I’m often skeptical of that. Even then, you have to ask yourself: Are you willing to live with the injustice? Can you set aside long-held principles or "swallow your pride" to stay? Can you genuinely wish well for someone who stabbed you in the back?

3. Are you capable of moving past this? This is the point most often forgotten. Even if she is doing everything right and you desperately want to stay, you must ask: Am I capable of living with this? Some betrayals change the internal landscape of a marriage so deeply that they simply cannot be "undone," regardless of effort.

These are incredibly difficult questions that only you—and perhaps time—can answer. I am a firm advocate of proactivity. In my experience, the betrayed partners who suffer the longest are those who remain frozen in grief.

If you don't think leaving things "as is" is helping, try a separation. If that doesn't provide clarity, try something else. You have a spectrum of choices—marriage counseling, divorce, open arrangements, or even just focusing entirely on yourself for a while. Not every path is the right one, but keep moving until you find one that has an effect. I would much rather see someone try and fail than sit and wait for the pain to disappear on its own.

I speak from experience. I lived this, and I worked incredibly hard on myself for years. Today, I have a future with someone who has never betrayed me—and that is a possibility for you, too.

I know from my own experience that I simply could not move past that level of betrayal. If your hesitation to leave is rooted in a fear of divorce, or a nagging worry that you 'can’t do better' than someone who stabbed you in the back, then it is time to get your house in order.

Invest in therapy, hit the gym, and find the resources that build you back up. You need to regain your self-esteem so that if you eventually choose to stay, it’s because you genuinely want to be there—not because you were too afraid to walk away.

For me, that process started by dating—a lot. I threw myself into it rapidly to help repair my destroyed ego and reclaimed my sense of masculinity. Many people advise against this, and it won't all be positive; you’ll have bad dates and face rejection. But for me, it did wonders. It’s hard to feel entirely worthless when you’re out having fun. While the 'ego-boost' of dating got me moving, the real, deep healing didn't start until I heavily invested in self-help, mindfulness, and physical discipline.

Ultimately, that path showed me that there are plenty of women out there who would love to be with you—whether that’s a deep connection or just a physical one. Realizing you have options is the quickest way to kill the fear that keeps you trapped

The final question to ask yourself is this: Are you trying to move past this because it’s easier to keep the status quo (without the rockin' all over the world element) or because you’re afraid? Or do you genuinely want to spend the rest of your life with someone who did this to you and your family?

[This message edited by DRSOOLERS at 11:13 AM, Monday, January 12th]

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 11:06 AM on Monday, January 12th, 2026

I think in-house separation like you describe is a terrible terrible terrible idea.
Many posters are critical of reconciliation and insist it seldom if ever works. I think one reason for that is because many couples do a version of what you describe – cohabiting as a quasi-married couple without ever dealing with the issues. A quasi-reconciliation.
"The kids" and finances are the usual reasons for why someone shares with us why they have accepted their eternal fate of sharing the same bedroom as someone they insist they will never trust again. Yet we have very few (if any that I recall) who come back to let us know that once Junior left the house they divorced...
What’s relatively unique about your situation is that at the end of the driveway you have a garage you can change into a bedroom. Enabling you to contemplate a quasi-divorce.

You plan on telling the kids and parents about the situation. Keep it a secret from others?
When you go with Jane on a date then to all others is like you are having an affair? Plan on dinner at a local restaurant or would there be guidelines about only dating three counties away? What about when your "wife" is seen with Joe at a fancy restaurant?
What about when you have someone over? Teach the kids to leave you alone if there is a tie on the door? Might be a bit awkward saying "hi" to the guy eating his bacon and eggs while chatting to your kids.
What about when friends (whom you intend to keep in the dark) invite you for dinner as a couple?
Keep in mind that whatever arrangement you and WW have now can change the minute either of you finds someone that they would rather spend their lives with. Think another woman would be content sharing the garage with you and having to arrange bathroom-and-shower schedules with your wife?

Then there are all the practical issues that are called "life". Like... if you had a medical emergency that requires someone decided your future treatment (in most cases your wife) – do you want the decision to be based on care and love, or a need to get her car in out of the cold?
What about financial transactions: In many states and countries a married couple is seen as financially one unit. You be OK if your wife takes Brad on a cruise paid with a card that is issued under the assumption that you are married?
Then there is just simply the QUALITY of people that would be fine with dating either of you under these conditions... I really don’t see a decent person that is looking for a relationship accept one with a quasi-married person. I do see a lot of Tinder-activity though...

Keep in mind that kids model their future relationships on what they see and experience. They will be looking at you two thinking "what the f....!!! So this is normal and acceptable".
Keep that in mind maybe 15 years down the line when your daughter introduces you to her husband Joe and her lover Jack.

No. I’m not a big fan of this idea.

Divorce or reconcile.
Do either with seriousness and intent.

If you want to reconcile then I do think you both need to sit down with a professional and be very clear on what you want, what hindrances you see and BOTH be willing to deal with them. The BIG PROBLEM with R is that both have to be ready and willing. Frankly it sounds like you both have been at some time, but possibly never both at the same time.

If you want to divorce you simply accept the changes it brings.
No – your kids won’t be wrecked if you two work at keeping their condition at the forefront.
No – they won’t become college dropouts if they have to move home.
No – you wont only see them every seventh weekend.
No – you won’t be broke and destitute and living in a cardboard box.

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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NukeZombie ( member #83543) posted at 7:54 PM on Monday, January 12th, 2026

Because I'm afraid and scared..
I've always put everyone elses feelings before my own, and even several months ago when I said we would separate, and I seen how my wife took such a slump after it ( this was the 1st time in all of it that she couldn't sleep ) I haven't slept right in 3 years

Did your WW know you were sleeping badly and obviously struggling with everything? For what--2 years?
Before you found out the entire truth (or at least what you eventually found out from the AP and her subsequent confirmation, I'm sure there's more, there always is,) was your WW acting differently at any point? Crying for no reason? Loss of appetite? Depressed? Any outward signs of distress? Any sign that she felt any guilt? I kinda doubt it...I'm sure she slept soundly during this time and let you wallow in hell. Is that any way to act towards what should be the most important person in your life?

Was the suggestion of separation the only consequence your WW faced? The affair wasn't exposed to either of y'all's parents or siblings, correct? NC letter to AP? Letter of Apology to AP's wife? (she knew he was married right?) At the very least please tell me you have open access to her electronics at your request. Why should she change when she hasn't felt any consequences for her actions? [NOTE: these are not 'punishments' to your WW.]

I highly recommend at the very least, you should let those of your and your WW's family, maybe close family friends, that you trust with the information be informed of what she did. You need their support and so does your WW. Also this will preempt your WW from re-writing the marriage history should you ultimately decide to separate or divorce. She won't be able to claim "oh, we just drifted apart over the years" or worse, she accuses you of some sort of abuse.

On the issue of separation either formal or IHS, that's up to you and it's clear your undecided, so how about something in-between? Any way you can get off work for a week or so? You can't afford 2 houses but can you afford to go off for a week on a solo vacation, maybe a cheap road trip? Pack a bag and tell your WW you'll see her in a week or so (do not give her a definite time of return.) Tell her you will stay in contact with the kids every night by phone or facetime but she is NOT to contact you unless there is a clear emergency (someone is headed to the hospital) You've been in limbo for 2-3 years, let your WW feel what it's like for a week. Get away and think, stay in hotels that you can afford and enjoy yourself. No booze or drugs. Get away from your primary trigger-- your WW. Think and feel clearly. Sure, you'll miss your kids but feel what it's like to be away from your WW. See if your stress lessens and how does your body and mind react to being away from your WW. You may see a path forward that is in your best interest. Life is too short to settle on anything less.

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